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Roger J Cooper (Rogercooper)
Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2001 - 4:28 am:   

I am interested in knowing Uwe's sources for Petteia. I have just started working on a version of Ludus Latrunculorum. My e-mail address is
Uwe Wiedemann (Uwe)
Posted on Monday, August 06, 2001 - 2:03 am:   

Sorry I was in holidays, and therefore my late answer.

There are different internet ressources about petteia. See for example:

Moreover I have used the book "Stein um Stein. Exotik des Brettspiels" by Heinz Machatscheck. He makes historical claims and suggests a version of petteia which can not be the historic variant and which is more an interesting halma variant the a petteia reconstruction. I call his games petteia halma. I have it implemented with some other halma variants, but not published yet.

In this book there are also two reconstructions of latrunculi, from Becq de Fouquières and Heinz Machatscheck himself. Both variants are implementable in Zillions.

There is a game siga which fulfills all the constraints I know from petteia and it is from Egypt. Siga seems me the best reconstruction of petteia. Plato says that petteia is an Egypt game. But siga is not implementable in Zillions yet, because of a changing move order (if you capture for example two pieces you can additional move two times with anyone piece. If you capture again in these moves you get additional moves etc.

PS: It seems me an interesting chess variant to use the rule order of Siga, i.e., hwo captures can move again with any of his pieces until he not captures again.
Dr. Ulrich Schaedler (Uuschaedler)
Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2001 - 2:47 pm:   

Hi folks,
just two things:
1) "petteia" is not a particular board game but the Greek general term for "board game" to contrast "kubeia", which means "games with dice".
2) the game described by Pollux and Eustathios is "polis" = city or "poleis" = cities. This game appears to be the Greek predecessor/version of the Roman "Latrunculi", at least the method of capture is identical. In the Greek east of the Roman empire the game seems to have been known throughout the 1st millennium AD under the name "city" or "cities". I just read a paper about the subject during the 4th International Colloquium "Board Games in Academia" at CH-Fribourg in april 2001.

Best regards
Ulrich Schädler

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